Posts by nancee park

  • silentlambs
    26

    "Biting The Helping Hand..."

    by silentlambs in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    "the elders feel that she is basically biting the helping hand"

    the quote above is from a recent news article regarding child rape and jehovah's witnesses.

    i find it a stunning confirmation of exactly how abuse survivors are treated within the jehovahs witnesses community.

    1. waiting
    2. LDH1
    3. waiting
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    It would help if someone posted the text of the original news article Bill is referring to, please.

  • Stephanus
    15

    August KM Scans -Now Available!

    by Stephanus in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    we'll be putting up the august scans of the kingdom ministry later today.

    to do so, i'll be taking down the september scans to make room.

    if you haven't saved them already, here they are (this will also be the url for the august scans): .

    1. ozziepost
    2. Stephanus
    3. NeonMadman
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    That's what we also see. The local elders and rank-and-file are ignoring the Watchtower Society's "hint-hint" that JWs need to toughen up on or shun inactive JWs and cold-shoulder disfellowshipped JWs even more.

    That's good news. The bad is that Brooklyn may bit by bit have the Circuit Overseers start getting tougher on those elders who do try to be decent and, as you say, practice "selective hearing." But so far so good. My "educated guess" is they will have only sporadic success with their new slap at inactives and DFd's. Their fury is only isolating themselves.

    Hear that, Brooklyn? I know you did, and it really is "the Truth."

  • JeffT
    33

    WT article on Esther: dead wrong.

    by JeffT in
    1. watchtower
    2. bible

    a few weeks ago the pastor at our church gave the sermon from the book of esther.

    this sparked some old wt memories.

    i looked through my old bound volumes and found this gem of misguided scholarship from the writing department.

    1. elderelite
    2. wallsofjericho
    3. I Want to Believe
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    The Hebrews were given Persian names as well as their Hebrew names. Thus Vashti was the Persian name given to the Hebrew heroine by the royal court. Being named after one of the gods/goddesses was not unusual. For example in the Greek scriptures the Christian Apollas was named after the god Apollo. Similarly with Modercai versus Marduk etc. Therefore the story of Esther is not automatically discounted as some of you atheists like to make it out.

  • Zechariah
    10

    I JUST HAD A GREAT IDEA

    by Zechariah in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    i just had a great idea.it has been inspired by my own post about the comparison of the past reformers of the church with that of ex-jws who seek to reform the wts.

    althouh i have gotten very few responses to my post i am convinced that most believe the protestant reformation program accurately symbolizes our own reformation efforts of the wts.

    hence comes my big idea.

    1. Zechariah
    2. IronGland
    3. MegaDude
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    Nobody will read a literal "95" items. Here's a better idea.

    Every envelope you send out for the next year put "silentlambs.org" and also "freeminds.org" somewhere on it.

  • Trauma_Hound
    17

    Spokes person needed for Silentlambs in Seattle

    by Trauma_Hound in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    as you may all know already, bill wants to hold a press conference in 10 cities across the us next thrusday.

    i have volunteered to get press releases out to the media, and my contacts within the media.

    even though i do have a background in television, and have actually done on air talent, i don't think i'm a good canidate to be the spokes person, i really don't want to scare people, honestly i look like a biker.

    1. abbagail
    2. Trauma_Hound
    3. abbagail
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    I hope you are correct. If not, the chance is gone, and it would take only 3-4 seconds to insert the sentence, hardly causing a lack of "focus," Simon.

    Edited by - nancee park on 1 September 2002 14:24:35

  • Eric
    8

    The WT "Pedo-Files" Who can open them?

    by Eric in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    the silentlambs and barbara anderson say there are 23,000 files at wbts brooklyn headquarters of jw pedophilic activity or reports of pedophilic activity.. j.r. brown, wbts spokesman allows that such files exist but says the number of files is much smaller than that, but never says how many there actually may be.. j.r. brown says the files may also contain mere reports of sexual activity between minors.

    in that case there may be a file with my name on it, as i confessed to a judicial committee of elders of sexual activity at age 15.. j.r. brown says there is no directive or restriction in place prohibiting a jw from going to the police or other legal authorities to seek an investigation into a report of pedophilic abuse or activity.. if j.r. brown means what he says, then there should be no problem in opening these files up to a proper investigative authority with the intent of seeking legal justice.. so, who is such a legal authority?

    the brooklyn district attorney's office?

    1. Mary
    2. ARoarer
    3. Celtic
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    The 23,000 are for the U.S. and the U.K. Add in the other nations and it is larger. I believe you will need to ask a lawyer about getting access to your file, not us who are not lawyers, and wish you success.

  • Trauma_Hound
    17

    Spokes person needed for Silentlambs in Seattle

    by Trauma_Hound in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    as you may all know already, bill wants to hold a press conference in 10 cities across the us next thrusday.

    i have volunteered to get press releases out to the media, and my contacts within the media.

    even though i do have a background in television, and have actually done on air talent, i don't think i'm a good canidate to be the spokes person, i really don't want to scare people, honestly i look like a biker.

    1. abbagail
    2. Trauma_Hound
    3. abbagail
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    I'm sure women spokespeople are fine, even though not I'm sure not Bill. Deborah was a "judge" who helped Israel, Phoebe was a "minister/deaconness" (that's right, read Romans 16:1), and Esther saved the whole Jewish race. Bill's wife has spoken up, so has Barb Anderson, so are and shall other women. This is a horrible tragedy impacting both males and females, though of the two females are especially being victimized by men who are often congregation elders and ministerial servants!

    Lady's, step forward, please! The women telling the real truth are indeed a "large army!"

    Also while focusing on the pedophile issue you might just happen to slip in "the Watchtower Society have also misled adults on other matters such as with their being a Non-Government Organization in the United Nations for ten years though preaching against the U.N.!"

    Edited by - nancee park on 31 August 2002 23:43:22

  • minimus
    18

    STRATERGY FOR DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONES

    by minimus in
    1. jw
    2. friends

    one thing that i've learned within the last couple of years, is that there is power here.

    the exposing of the united nations connection was huge.

    the pedophile problem in the organization is known because certain people got out and did something about it.

    1. minimus
    2. ApagaLaLuz
    3. Brainfloss
  • nancee park
    nancee park

    Soften them up by informing them. I'm [email protected]:

    INFORMING OUR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS LOVED ONES OF THE SECRET U.N. LIASON, PEDOPHILE COVERUPS ETC: There are many nice Jehovah's Witnesses (JWs) but the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society (WTS) over those of us who are JWs, and also the local WTS elders who must do as told by them, cover up child molestation and let JW pedophiles go door-to-door as proved at http://www.silentlambs.org or phone toll-free 1 877-WT-ABUSE. And this shows a UK elder handcuffed for prison because a pedophile:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_2123000/2123546.stm

    WTS leaks state that over 23,000 JW pedophiles are on file at WTS Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (USA), most unrevealed to police despite Romans 13:1. That at least one pedophile was on the Governing Body of the WTS in the 1980s if not now also is documented:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=5466&site=3

    ConvictedMinisterial Servant/Elder pedophiles include Gregory Blackstone at Hollis, New
    Hampshire; Larry Baker at Augusta, Maine; Tim Gardner at Richmond, Missouri;
    Manual Beliz at Othello, WA; others in the UK, France, Norway, Australia etc

    WTS Awake and Watchtower magazines and elders say God opposes the UN but, until
    exposed, in 1991-2001 the WTS was secretly a formal U.N. associate not just to use the U.N.'s library as proved if you read the Nov 22, 1998 Awake magazine and use Search at the top at jehovahs-witness.org with "UN" or "U.N." Besides, the U.N. does not even require a group to become an official associate group in order to get a card to use its library! After this was publicized on the internet the official U.N. ties were cut but not all unofficial ties:
    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=34436&site=3

    Christ said families would be split by those doing right and those doing wrong but WTS has formal Judicial Committees destroying families via numerous formal renderings of disfellowshipment (severe shunning). 1 Cor 6:1 only says judge "trivial" things as in business, James 2:4-13 calls judging harmful, and Paul says the "majority" (2 Cor 2:6) followed his advice to shun a wrongdoer, meaning a Minority chose not to and yet he nowhere condemns them.

    Acts 15:20 says abstain from blood but 1 Sam 14:32-5 says Saul's army ate unBLED meat to not starve and no verses show God not forgiving them. Christ says God also forgave David's eating temple holy bread and that God wants Mercy Not Sacrifice. (Mt 12) The May 22, 1994 Awake tells of 26 JW kids who died without transfusions, and by common sense in massive bleeding as in car wrecks blood expanders won't save lives http://www.ajwrb.org. About 3 JWs die daily earthwide from the unscriptural policy! (Blood On The Altar by David Reed) Yet most normal identical twins transfuse whole blood to each other through a
    shared placenta and childrens' whole blood is sometimes found in mothers years
    after birth.

    WTS says Christ was likely born about Oct 2, so why ignore counting back 9 months for normal conception or genetic-level birth means he was born in late December? Why insist Christmas is from the pagan Saturnalia when John 10:22-3 says Christ also celebrated the Festival of Dedication or Lights, i.e. Hannukah, which first began Dec 25 but has varied since because lunar-based? Job 1:3, 3:1-3 show Job's kids celebrated birthdays if you read all 3 verses to see day of birth is meant. At Luke 2 angels themselves celebrated Christ's
    birth. Santa is from Saint Nicholas, an actual red-robed Christian gift-giving elder of the Middle Ages, not a wizard or pagan god. The word Easter may as easily be from the Anglo-Saxon word eastern (Christianity came from East of England) as from the goddess Eastre, the eggs as likely from the Jewish passover egg as from paganry, common sense saying early Christians more likely using eggs and rabbits to symbolize the hope for new life by resurrection than as vesiges of pagan fertility or sex rites!

    Halloween came from All Hallows (Holy Ones/Saints) Evening when parents had children dress as saints to encourage them to be good, the normally harmless pranks coming from Ireland where maybe or maybe not taken from pagans even as wedding rings, names of days, months, some Christian names in the Bible like Apollos and Jason also came from pagans. Why does the WTS call compromises holidays that attacked and replaced paganisms especially since Colossians 2:16 says let none judge you about a holiday or Sabbaths? WTS calls a cross a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in it as a symbol of resurrection over death. (Ga 6:14, 1Cor 1:17-18) They say it was a stake but human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but inhours if on outstretched cross per Lu 23:44 and Mat 27:45-6, and the word stauros can mean not just stake but cross.

    Although almost only the United Pentecostals teach that Jesus is God Almighty (Jehovah) Himself, WTS says the Trinity is believing Father, Son, Spirit are one "identical" person and falsely say most all Protestant and Catholic churches teach that, even though the fact is that most all other Protestant and Catholic groups accept the trinity idea as being three totally different entities or persons forming one "Godship" (Ro 1:20), Son and Spirit sharing
    inherited age, power, knowledge from God just as an acorn may be only one day old but also have its genes inheriting its ancestral oak tree's age, capacity and information!

    Members are told report on each other although the Bible condemns busy-bodying. Nor are regular JWs allowed to read Judicial Committee "sin files" on themselves, many not knowing they exist often with misinformation and kept at Brooklyn's Bethel headquarters even if destroyed locally after seven years. Page 232 in the Insight book shows a picture of the Pay Attention To Yourselves And All The Flock book that elders have but do not allow non-elders to read. Page 302 in the Daniel book and pages 88 and 651 in the Proclaimers book show photos of the Knights Templar swords and the cross-with-crown-and-wreath used by Masons who sometimes use "Theocratic Warfare" tactics to change members'
    personalities on early WTS literature. Not surprisingly with the pedophile and other scandals, many good JWs have also complained of visual and electronic spying and harassment, including physically! Some old WT books also have the winged sun god Ra on front covers - never a Christian symbol.

    Many Jehovah's Witnesses who stay JWs but know the above are cutting time and money given the WTS which is declared "apostate" by silentlambs.org for endangering children, the secret U.N. liason etc. Many exJWs meet for fun (http://exjw.meetup.com/), get a newsletter from a fellowship united by love which is greater than forced same beliefs (Col 3:14, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian/), join a church etc. This was written out of love for our JW families and friends as well as the public's - yours too! Please help out silentlambs.org (1 877-WT-ABUSE) in fighting for the children by making and distributing more copies today!

    Edited by - nancee park on 31 August 2002 15:13:4